I am a great believer in freedom of speech. Free thinking is a noble occupation but it is in the possibility of freely articulating these thoughts that both the generosity and the innovativeness of the human spirit is displayed. However, I cannot abide rudeness. Whence comes the oft-asked question of how it is that I think people can say anything they want to say, but that I think there are some ways in which they should not be allowed to say it?
Perhaps it is a contradiction and a matter of personal perversity, but really I think not. It is simply that in conducting oneself, in writing as in speaking, with a modicum of self-aware dignity is an empowering thing, for both oneself and one’s audience. Spraying epithets and insults and ad hominem –and feminem—attacks is in the end an assault on the souls of both the objects and subjects of such diatribes. I am thinking of various debates I have been reading in our blog world, and of those who find it necessary especially when leaving comments to use a kind of violence in language that wounds my sensibilities as well as my mind. The pity is, really, that the more discourteous the writers are, the less the possibility that I will take them seriously or even that I will give their position more than the most cursory of glances. This, it seems to me, is somewhat counterproductive.
It is possible to be completely, devastatingly and eloquently in disagreement without recourse to coarseness or to rudeness. Indeed, as Keguro has just reminded me, politeness may be one of the deadliest interlocutory weapons ever invented. Yet, I still cannot understand what it is that drives people who are probably, in their non-blog lives, perfectly reasonable and responsible to become the writerly equivalent of drunken soccer thugs. On what has been an admittedly non-scientific perusal of these gangsta comments as I’ve been walking the virtual streets of my blog neighbourhood (sorry I didn’t leave comments this time round)what I have realised is the propensity for the rudest amongst us also to divest themselves of an identity and to become in the violence of their language, “anonymous.” Anonymous violence. Violently anonymous.
This is telling. I am persuaded it is not really fear of reprisal or even of discovery. After all, it is not much more revealing to call oneself, for example, “blitzwriter” than it is to call oneself “anonymous.” Thus, this latter impulse to anonymity suggests to me that the writers are in fact cloaking themselves from themselves no less than from us. They are, consciously or not, divesting their rude anonymous alter egos of the responsibility that being a citizen of the blog world imposes. They are in short, making of themselves a mob—in both gangster and crowd senses. Mobs, in either sense, allow themselves the detestable vices of non-thought, hidden identities, and most of all incomprehensible, unnecessary, unthinkable, and unforgivable violence. Mobs—both the gangster kind and the crowd kind—allow themselves furtive recourse to petty parochialisms, to ugly little hatreds, to bigotry, to witch-hunts, to meaningless contests for a power that only they covet, to brutality, but mostly, to irresponsibility. Then the crowd disperses, the gangsters flee, and they all melt back into the sheltering disguises of normality, reason and identity. Until the next time.
There is a place for great anger in discourse, and I have employed it. There is a necessity sometimes to rage and to denounce and I have done it. There is the occasion for sharp and unflinching disagreement and I have used it. I still think rudeness is the last resort of the lexicon-deprived. Incivility is the blunt weapon of those who have disenfranchised themselves from the society of reasoned discussion. Insults are the pitiful shadows of lyrical expression, and gangsta writing the frustrated and simultaneous love/envy of those who have command over, and pride in, the authoritative arrangement of their own words.
Tuesday, April 11, 2006
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was just passing by and saw this and i couldn't agree more. while disagreements over points of view are inevitable, it must be done with level headedness and civility without having to resort to pointless name calling and abuse of an individual.
i am not one who insists upon agreement with my principles and thoughts as a precondition for debate and discussion (paraphrased form one of edward murrow's famous qoutes, i forget which one) however, there seem to be some who are determined to resort to the pointless mud slinging that is prevalent in countless online forums. i commend you for voicing your concerns. i am curious to see what kind of response this will elicit.
The paragraph that starts with:
"It is possible to be completely, devastatingly and eloquently in disagreement without recourse to coarseness or to rudeness."
Sums up the conversation Mshairi and I had today. We are both planning to blog about this and shall link to yours.
There is a lot of bile in the blogsphere at the moment and it is getting out of hand.
Thank you for speaking up
This is a timely post. We, MJY, and I have been discussing this very issue. The thing that strikes us is this: if you dont agree with what someone has written, disagree, yes but there is no need for abuse and personal attacks. We have seen many of these lately and they are just worrying and quite distressing.
Thanks for this.
You dont know how long i have waited for a new post and following my complaints against anoy(s)i have to agree.your last post was a clear example where anoy(s) was/were quick to try and degenerate my disagreement. As for written violence some times like any other form of controled violence it itself is a necessary evil.
E.g
"I still think rudeness is the last resort of the lexicon-deprived. Incivility is the blunt weapon of those who have disenfranchised themselves from the society of reasoned discussion. Insults are the pitiful shadows of lyrical expression, and gangsta writing the frustrated and simultaneous envy and love of those who have command over, and pride in, their own words"
And being the last person wanting to revive the gay debate if anyone where has an answer to the last question i posted please feel free to contact me
WM, not that we'll always see things from the same perspective but I'll be the last person to attack your person or trash your opinions. I'm hard-put to fault you in the manner you conducted yourself in your last post. The sausage got messy when the rest of us went into a slugfest over it. Thanks for the gracious reminder; indeed we - and not just on your blog - have sunk so low.
Thank you for putting this up and as eloquently as always.
There has been a complaint around the blog-neighborhood that KBW members are One Big Happy family mainly because they rarely have fistfights and its virtual derivatives.
It seems of late some one has made a point of ensuring that we each need a lifetime supply of vitriol so that we can stop being a happy family.
Like you mentioned, there is no need to call anyone names just because they do not agree with my version of the truth, and it is so sad that the "anons" are popping up all over the place.
"... I still think rudeness is the last resort of the lexicon-deprived. Incivility is the blunt weapon of those who have disenfranchised themselves from the society of reasoned discussion..."
Applause, applause. Well said.
You also make a compelling argument about why these commenters have chosen to be incognito. I'd too quickly labeled it cowardice and moved right along, but perhaps that is too easy.
As for Keguro calling your attention to politeness as a weapon, he's definitely the blogosphere's expert in residence, as far as I'm concerned. I never seen anyone apply self-restraint so effectively and so consistently.
I am not sure how Kenyananalyst's self-critical (?) comment is to be understood. WM's posting on heteronormativity and homosexualities - on which he commented - was clear, outspoken, but tactful.
It's a perspective thing, you see... from a privileged position in a Canadian university or a cutsy US East Coast liberal arts college, it might have seemed as she were trying to break, with great noise and huffing and puffing, through an already wide open spacious door ;-)... but from a Kenyan ground perspective her statement might still appear audaciously liberal to some neo-conservatives and raving fundamentalists who see their own shackles and manacles threatened by the freedom of others. So I guess it was nevertheless a good thing that she wrote about homophobia, and she certainly was in no way rude or obnoxious in this her posting.
Neither however were *you*, Kenyananalyst. You have maintained a religious position which I and others might not share, but you did so in a truly Christian and charitable way. I would even call it a humble way. So, why would you fault yourself for that?
On the other hand, obnoxious homophobia and attacks as witnessed by some comments (not many) always deserves a good slap over the knuckles or another fitting part of the virtual body. Such is only appropriate and licit rudeness, if it be; that is, if one not ignores those vices altogether, which always is an option, but not necessarily _always_ the best.
Well said. Well said.
I strongly believe that the way to tackle this is to be strongly self policing.
We would not stand for physical attacks on our person, so why should we stand for mental attacks. There is no way a reasonable person would say it is ok to punch another blogger in the face to make a point, yet we allow the mental abuse to continue. In fact many bloggers humour and encourage the protagonists on their individual blogs giving them the space and attention they crave. Then when the guns are turned on them find there is nowhere to run or hide.
Delete the comments. These cowards who do not add to the debate and hide behind the anonymity of the internet do not deserve space on our blogs. I can assure you of this, once they learn that each time the comment they will be thrown in the dustbin, they will tire and stop.
At a more practical level I would suggest that you move your blog from blogger to wordpress.com which is a free service as well. On wordpress.com you have more control on how people interact with your blog and you can take all your blogger posts with you so you wont lose a thing! Email me if you are interested!
Dear Joe,
I hear you, but I am concerned, since the people you accuse are those I count amongst my friends. Actually, whether they are my friends or not is not important: what is important is the allegation that their integrity has been compromised by their own actions, and that they have knowingly detracted from other people's writing with malicious intent. This is very serious Joe--if this is true, they will no longer be my friends, and their integrity will be a dim echo in the past. However, before I make such drastic adjustments to my life: what proof have you of these things you say? Tell me and show me why I should believe you. Because if you can't then this is some weird combination of slander and libel...
It's great to see more people standing up to these blog trolls. Your post says it all quite eloquently and brilliantly.
"It is possible to be completely, devastatingly and eloquently in disagreement without recourse to coarseness or to rudeness."
We must all strive towards this goal.
And as Mental says, we must all stand up and fight this menace.
This might be overstating the case, but "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing".
Ps/ Congrats on your Kaybee Nomination.
Hi Anon -
I played with the "we factor" in my response on WM's new post because I thought I could identify myself with all of us on this one, - the fact that the malaise she just described is widespread and insidious.
As a writer, I was bemoaning the insolent heights from which our creative license has been defiled by such inner-city affections in the writing community; it occured to me that "grace-to-grass" would be a more apt way for me to characterize such, the self-critical bit goes with the territory (I see myself as part of the said writing community, whose attendant sad estate I would then be reflecting upon).
The self-critical bit also comes with my Christian worldview which will, constantly, invite me to re-examine the content and style of my engagement with others - like yourself - with whom I might not agree on some issues.
And - it should be said - it's nigh impossible for me to claim military precision or mathematical exactitude in blogsphere etiquette.
But gentleness and respect, - that's what I hope to maintain here and elsewhere.
Thanks for reading.
All in good time as you can see I have removed my earlier allegations but I still stand by what I have said.There is an agenda of shameless self promotion and censorship of viewsthat do not fit into others agendas.I have been compiling evidence for sometime now and I will be happy to pass on the information. Friends or not friends the truth is what matters. Just for your own reference you can down load software on your blog that allows you to trace IP addresses. That way if a person posting anonymously does so but post at a different time with a name you can tell who it is. Ill will forward all this information to you. This is just the tip of the ice berg in kbw/k-bee leasing.
@Ms K. I've missed you! What nomination?
@Analyst--you shame us all with your generosity and your gentleness
@rombo, prousette, spicebear, mshairi, MJK-- a luta continua!
@joe, you will see that I have suppressed one of your comments, because I think it would be wrong of me to broadcast it without the proof that I requested. As soon as I get said proof, your comment will, of course, be posted immediately thereafter. I will of course be grateful for the information you've offered to forward to me, and for any other ways you have of reducing violence in our blogsphere.
Ohmigosh, I got nominated!!!! Whoopeee!!! Thank you very much, everyone.
Well said.
"Insults are the pitiful shadows of lyrical expression, and gangsta writing the frustrated and simultaneous love/envy of those who have command over, and pride in, the authoritative arrangement of their own words."
- You couldn't have said it better..
ps; A very well deserved kaybee nomee- one of my fav..(pls sit still while I disconnect my lips from..)
I'm having one of those days (classes are over, so I can be slightly undisciplined) where I am feeling randomly inclined and thus prone to apropos-of-nothing thoughts. However, it may be connected to this post that I am at this time reading the autobiography of M.K Ghandi, and strangely, I am quite conflicted about his work, in a way that I had never been before. It certainly has to do with writing and with violence (or non-violence, in this case) but I am not quite connecting the dots. Can anyone help? I am reading the Beacon Press edition, with the foreword by Sissela Bok....
Have brought my smile here Auntie and a big congrats for the nomination.
Hope ur Pasaka taking u well .....
good points people,i concur. Web aggression, like any other, emanates from acute inability to constructively engage.
WM, just curious though, i read this blog the day you posted it and i was fascinated by the term 'gangsta writers', I must admit it's the first time I came across it. Then today, reading Kabaji's literary discourse, he talks about 'literary gangsters', and yet I realize that despite the likeness, you two are not necessarily in sync. a brief history of this concept guys?
@ak, at the risk of losing some intellectual glamour...I made up the term. Or I think I did: I don't recall having seen it before and it was really just a play on (the)mob/s and violence.
I think most of the things that have been said can be said.As for censorship of comments from undesirables.If a former "troll" or "antagonist" turns good is it fair to keep on deleting their comments?Or should they always be kept out of the blog ie if I disagreed "violently" with you then agreed with you on a later issue would you still keep me out of your blog even though my future comments are good?I have seen it happen in KBW and I think even tho it is upto the bloggers discretion it does more harm then good in the long run.But I guess at the end of the day we must learn to disagree gracefully and diplomatically, a lesson that I learn everyday!
What happened to the democratic right of agreeing to disagree. If one cannot logically and eloquently put their point across without debasing the argument or themselves then trhey should refrain and stick to the following mantra:
I hear what your saying, I understand where you're coming from, But I do not agree.
Works every time I want to pound my bosses head in, better than telling him to go pound sand!
i know you have been on my blog before just wanted to pass by and invite you back (relaunch) . in all your post i havent heard of a mr mad woman.all work and no play will make u a madder woman
Dear Mad Kenyan Woman,
Could you please get in touch with me on the following email address:
tim@outofafrika.org
I'm doing a website called "Inside Africa" and I would love to add some of your postings to our "Kenyan Gallery", featuring work from Kenyan artists.
Check out the site on:
www.insideafrica.tv
Hope to hear from you.
Thanks!
Tim Metz
WM, jst read u again at mine. I think for me one of my greatest joys in these dialogues has been to be in a position to converse with you, our real and genuine differences notwithstanding. Our worldviews differ a great deal, yet you have remained captivating enough for me to read and respond to. Do keep it up.
And one should not forget that there are not only gangsta commentators, but also (and quite prolific) gangsta bloggers. Violent rants and ravings frequently invite a fitting answer in kind.
And you'll invariably see (it's the same phenomenon in Usenet groups) that the same blogger who preciously ranted and spew bile in the monologues, begins to wail and wince and hit the "delete" option frantically as soon as sie encounters the least bit of opposition in the comments section. :-)
Anon
I just stumbled across your page and am impressed with the eloquence and softness of your writing. Thank you for contributing your writing to the world.
Anonymous comments seem to have availed a loophole by which deragatory remarks are issued which would not normaly under the known alias be aired. It is sad though and your post hits me at bullys eye being seeks to rid of self, the use of "french", You got me to thinking that maybe communication is best done in carefully thought out words and tone of voice. thank you for writng so eloquently. Shoulda been here earlier
Why is everybody suprised!
One of the trademarks of any racist oriented "writer " is a rambling and very incoherent collection of many ill-understood facts". This is primarily meant to confuse.
Anyone who uses a tiny % of their grey matter should not feel threatened by these kind of idiots
I have read a lot of this kind of rubbish... I have to admit I had to swallow a bit of my pride to answer to this kind of crap.
Alienmist
cool blog, but the last post was in Jan. whats going on?
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